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Ivica Mazur · 14.04.2008, 09:09

Proof of Parallel Universe gives hope for TIME TRAVEL

This potentially dangerous due to the fact that TAMPERING WITH TIME CONTINUUM CAN LEAD TO ALL SORTS OF MANIPULATIONS - EVERYBODY IS EAGER TO PASS HIS/HER CIVILIZATION, SPECIES OR NATION OFF AS THE MOST TRUSTWORTHY, HONORABLE AND INTELLIGENT AND ARE THEREFORE READY TO GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO CHANGE HISTORICAL EVENTS SO THAT THOSE PLAY INTO THEIR HANDS AND EVENTUALLY TURN OUT TO BE IN THEIR OWN FAVOR!)

Physicists around the world are excitedly awaiting the start up of the £4.65 billion Large Hadron Collider, LHC - the most powerful atom-smasher ever built - which is supposed to shed new light on the particles and forces at work in the cosmos and reproduce conditions that date to near the Big Bang and the subsequent creation of our Universe.

1.21 Giga-watts of electricity: Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd in
the De Lorean time machine from the American movie "Back to the Future",
Prof. Irina Aref'eva and Dr Igor Volovich, mathematical physicists at
the Steklov Mathematical Institute in Moscow believe that the vast
experiment at CERN, the European particle physics center near Geneva
in Switzerland, may turn out to be the WORLD`S FIRST TIME MACHINE,
reports "New Scientist".

The debut in early summer could provide a landmark because traveling into the past is maybe possible as far back as the point of creation of the time machine, or may well be that it is possible even BEFORE THE POINT OF THE CREATION OF THE TIME MACHINE.

That means 2008. could become "Year Zero" for temporal travel.

Time travel was born when Albert Einstein's colleague, Kurt Gödel, used Einstein's theory of relativity to show that travel into the past was possible.

Ever since he unveiled this idea in 1949., eminent physicists have argued against time travel because it undermines ideas of cause and effect to create paradoxes.

But, sixty years later, there is still no fundamental reason why time travelers cannot put historians out of business.

But the Russians argue that when the energies of the LHC are concentrated into a subatomic particle - a trillionth the size of a mosquito - they can do strange things to the fabric of the universe, which is a blend of space and time that scientists called space-time.

While Earth's gravity produces gentle distortions in space-time the LHC energy can distort time so much that it loops back on itself.

These loops are known to physicists as "closed time-like curves" and
they ought, at least in theory, to allow us to revisit some past moment.

The scheme chimes with one laid out in 1988., when Prof. Kip Thorne and colleagues at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, showed that wormholes, or tunnels through space-time, would allow time travel, a scheme popularized by Carl Sagan in his novel - made into a film – "Contact".

Prof. Aref'eva and Dr Volovich believe the LHC could create wormholes
and so allow a form of time travel.

"We realized that CLOSED TIME-LIKE CURVES (which may allow us to visit some past moment) and wormholes could also be a result of collisions of particles," Prof. Aref'eva says.

There are still plenty of obstacles for the likes of Dr Who, however. Not least of them is the fact that these are mini wormholes, so only subatomic particles are small enough to travel through them.

TIME TRAVEL IS POSSIBLE
How the Time Machine works

They tell the British newspaper "The Daily Telegraph" that whether subatomic time travel in the LHC would open the doors for human scale time travelers "is a deep and interesting question" but stress that "these problems, and many others as well, require further investigations."

Probably the best we can hope for is that the LHC may show a signature of the wormholes' existence, Dr Volovich says. If some of the energy from collisions in the LHC goes missing, it could be because the collisions created particles that have traveled into a wormhole and through time.

One sticking point until now for wormhole concepts is finding an exotic kind of material capable of keeping the maw of the wormhole open for time travel.

Dark energy - a mysterious anti-gravity force that is thought to pervade the universe - could, they say, be just what is needed to keep the entrance to a wormhole open, at least according to one family of ideas about its nature, where it is called phantom energy.

If a blend of colliding particles and phantom energy does create a wormhole in Geneva this year, advanced extraterrestrial civilizations (thousands or even millions of years ahead of us) could find it in their history books, pinpoint the moment, and take advantage of their technology to pay us a visit.

"The observational evidence still allows for phantom energy," says
Robert Caldwell, a physicist at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New
Hampshire. "As for Aref'eva and Volovich's speculation that the LHC
will produce the stuff of time machines - ugh!"

A leading scientist who believes that time travel may be possible,
Prof. David Deutsch of Oxford University, comments: "It's speculative
in the extreme, but not cranky. For various reasons I don't think the
mechanism they propose would work (i.e. provide a pathway for
messages from the future) even if their speculations are true."

Dr Brian Cox of the University of Manchester adds: "The energies of
billions of cosmic rays that have been hitting the Earth's atmosphere
for five billion years far exceed those we will create at the LHC, so
by this logic time travelers should be here already."

A quantum tree doesn't
fall in a forest unless it's observed. Hence the quantum mind.
NewPhysicsAndTheMind.net

Relativity Challenge
DID EINSTEIN MAKE A MATH MISTAKE? You be the judge!
www.relativitychallenge.com

Physics and Consciousness
Why is modern physics strange? - Space-time is within consciousness
Amazon.com

Cosmology & Metaphysics
An alternative understanding of the material universe. Be enlightened.
SimpleTheory.Info

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Zwitschi · 14.04.2008, 09:56

Hello Ivica Masur,

according to the board rules the language postings have to be written in is german.
As you mentioned before, your german is not quite good, and we were appreciating to that and will do so in future. There is no need to compose own text in english.

Also the rules state that you accepted all of its contents with accomplishing your registration.

Additionaly, as mentioned in the other thread you started in this board, we likely discuss scientific problems, but until now you refused to point out your view or post some facts. Unfortunately you seem to continue copying probably copirighted material onto this board. Regarding to the legal responsibilites of the board adminitrators, please stop this.

At last I bring up the rules for posting:
http://wiki.seti-germany.de/index.ph...hema_erstellen
The appropriate forum might be the "Wissenschaftsforum" or "Games & Fun". No relation to SETI.Germany in special.

Zero2Cool · 14.04.2008, 09:57

Thread ins richtige Forum verschoben und den Titel umbenannt.

Zwitschi · 14.04.2008, 09:58

Danke Zero!

Saenger · 14.04.2008, 10:02

Da versucht wohl offensichtlich jemand ein neues Board vollzuspammen.
Ich würde sagen: Bitte nicht füttern.

Imho someone is trying to spam the next board with copy'n'pasted nonsense.
Don't feed the troll.

<°///////><

Flummi · 14.04.2008, 14:29

Zitat:

Zitat von Saenger

Da versucht wohl offensichtlich jemand ein neues Board vollzuspammen.
Ich würde sagen: Bitte nicht füttern.

Imho someone is trying to spam the next board with copy'n'pasted nonsense.
Don't feed the troll.

<°///////><

Eine ziemlich freie Übersetzung

Wie ging das gleich noch mal

Spam, Spam, lovely Spam

BTW: Was bedeutet dieses grüne Zeichen? Einen Troll?

Zum Übersetzen bin ich jetzt zu faul

Saenger · 14.04.2008, 14:32

Zitat:

Zitat von Flummi

Was bedeutet dieses grüne Zeichen? Einen Troll?

Einen Fisch, quasi Trollfutter.

Zwitschi · 14.04.2008, 14:39

Zitat:

Zitat von Flummi

Eine ziemlich freie Übersetzung

Wie ging das gleich noch mal

Spam, Spam, lovely Spam

BTW: Was bedeutet dieses grüne Zeichen? Einen Troll?

Zum Übersetzen bin ich jetzt zu faul

Troll
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Netzkultur)

Das grüne "Zeichen"
Das Troll-Futter ist "Red Herring" http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roter_Hering

Und SPAM bitte nur vom Qualitätshersteller ihres Vertrauens: Monty Python

Ivica Mazur · 15.04.2008, 09:32

Zitat:

Zitat von Zwitschi

Hello Ivica Masur,

according to the board rules the language postings have to be written in is german.
As you mentioned before, your german is not quite good, and we were appreciating to that and will do so in future. There is no need to compose own text in english.

Also the rules state that you accepted all of its contents with accomplishing your registration.

Additionaly, as mentioned in the other thread you started in this board, we likely discuss scientific problems, but until now you refused to point out your view or post some facts. Unfortunately you seem to continue copying probably copirighted material onto this board. Regarding to the legal responsibilites of the board adminitrators, please stop this.

At last I bring up the rules for posting:
http://wiki.seti-germany.de/index.ph...hema_erstellen
The appropriate forum might be the "Wissenschaftsforum" or "Games & Fun". No relation to SETI.Germany in special.

Herr Zwischi,

Es blieb mir nichts anderes uebrig als zu empoeren, allerdings weniger wegen des Widerspruches Ihres Hinweises an sich, als wegen der Tatsache dass Sie als auch Ihre Gleichgesinnte so niedrige Schlaege benutzen um mich zu unterschätzen und zu demütigen
- Ivica beherrscht Deutsch nicht tadellos (stimmen Sie aber dazu dass ich Ihnen im Englischen viel ueber bin als Sie mir im Deutschen) (Ich bin ein Polyglotte)
- Ivica ist aus Serbien! (Ich bin ein Kosmopolit)
- Ivica ist selbst ein Troll.

Ich kann nicht umhin, die Folgerung daraus zu ziehen dass Sie vielleicht mit Vorurteilen gegenueber meiner Wenigkeit indoktriniert sind, geschweige denn die gegenueber Ausserirdischen.

Obwohl ich mich auf zuverlaessige Quelle berufen habe, entweder beneiden Sie mir weil ich moeglicherweise ueber diesem Thema mehr als Sie weiss oder Sie wollen die Moeglichkeit vermeiden dass andere unparteiische Leute zur meiner Ansicht kommen (mehr als 350 Hits in nur vier Tagen).

Ich gebe allerdings die Moeglichkeit zu, dass Sie vielleicht mehr ueber den Ausserirdischen (Gedankenuebertragung und Zeitreisender) persoenlich wissen, aber Sie (oder wer immer auch sei) sind entschlossen auf jeden Fall das zu vertuschen weil Sie die unparteiische Leute in Deutschland in der Unwissenheit halten moechten.

ivica.mazur@gmail.com

11.03.2010, 06:47

Da versucht wohl offensichtlich jemand ein neues Board vollzuspammen.
Ich würde sagen: Bitte nicht füttern.

aendgraend · 11.03.2010, 08:20

Aaaaaah, ja... ???

Wer gegen das Löschen des Accounts ist, soll sich melden...

lost68er · 11.03.2010, 16:58

Ich dachte, wir sind hier `ne DC-Truppe, und hier ist das Wissenschaftsforum...
Ich glaub nicht, daß wir solchen Eso-Kram brauchen.
Das liest sich ja wie die dunkleren Fan-Briefe an Douglas Adams...

Gruß lost

AgentSchatten · 11.03.2010, 18:26

Klingt für mich eher als würde er ihn von einem anderen Board her kennen. Hat aber wohl nicht auf's Datum geachtet. Ich hätte den Account nicht gelöscht ...

bernd@home · 11.03.2010, 23:37

Also der Name kommt mir irgendwie bekannt vor, hat er nicht im Vorgängerboard sich schon eine Sperrung eingehandelt ? Englisch, schlechtes Deutsch - da war doch was ...

Edit = Ich solllte mal aufs Datum des 1. Posts schaun, das war der Thread, der mir so bekannt vorkam - war halt schon spät

Studentendohle · 16.03.2010, 23:45

Zitat:

Zitat von bernd@home

Also der Name kommt mir irgendwie bekannt vor, hat er nicht im Vorgängerboard sich schon eine Sperrung eingehandelt ? Englisch, schlechtes Deutsch - da war doch was ...

Edit = Ich solllte mal aufs Datum des 1. Posts schaun, das war der Thread, der mir so bekannt vorkam - war halt schon spät

Ja, ich war ebenfalls neugierig. Es handelte sich hier um ein Thema mit der Überschrift "Telepathie und Ausserirdscher..."
Einer "unserer" Kollegen hat diesen Thread geschlossen, da der Autor einfach nur unpersönlich und anstrengend wurde und alle wissenschaftlich fundierten Beweise schuldig blieb. Eine richtige Vorgehensweise meiner Meinung nach, da unpersönliche Äußerungen hier einfach nicht hingehören...

Es gibt genügend andere Foren zu diesem Thema

@saenger -

" Ihr werdet den größten und mächtigsten Baum dieses Waldes fällen, und zwar mit Hilfe dieses Herings..." Ich glaube so war der Befehl/Order der Ritter von Ni an Arthus und Belvedere, verdammt jetzt wo ich Urlaub habe, sollte ich diesem mal wieder sehen...

PS: mit "unpersönlich und anstrengend" meine ich grob und unhöflich (geändert am 17.03.2010)

14.04.2008, 09:09	#1 (permalink)
Ivica Mazur Gesperrt Ort: Novi Sad, Serbien Beiträge: 12 Für Beiträge bedankt: 8 0 Danke für 0 Themen	Zeitreisen / Time Travel Proof of Parallel Universe gives hope for TIME TRAVEL This potentially dangerous due to the fact that TAMPERING WITH TIME CONTINUUM CAN LEAD TO ALL SORTS OF MANIPULATIONS - EVERYBODY IS EAGER TO PASS HIS/HER CIVILIZATION, SPECIES OR NATION OFF AS THE MOST TRUSTWORTHY, HONORABLE AND INTELLIGENT AND ARE THEREFORE READY TO GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO CHANGE HISTORICAL EVENTS SO THAT THOSE PLAY INTO THEIR HANDS AND EVENTUALLY TURN OUT TO BE IN THEIR OWN FAVOR!) Physicists around the world are excitedly awaiting the start up of the £4.65 billion Large Hadron Collider, LHC - the most powerful atom-smasher ever built - which is supposed to shed new light on the particles and forces at work in the cosmos and reproduce conditions that date to near the Big Bang and the subsequent creation of our Universe. 1.21 Giga-watts of electricity: Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd in the De Lorean time machine from the American movie "Back to the Future", Prof. Irina Aref'eva and Dr Igor Volovich, mathematical physicists at the Steklov Mathematical Institute in Moscow believe that the vast experiment at CERN, the European particle physics center near Geneva in Switzerland, may turn out to be the WORLD`S FIRST TIME MACHINE, reports "New Scientist". The debut in early summer could provide a landmark because traveling into the past is maybe possible as far back as the point of creation of the time machine, or may well be that it is possible even BEFORE THE POINT OF THE CREATION OF THE TIME MACHINE. That means 2008. could become "Year Zero" for temporal travel. Time travel was born when Albert Einstein's colleague, Kurt Gödel, used Einstein's theory of relativity to show that travel into the past was possible. Ever since he unveiled this idea in 1949., eminent physicists have argued against time travel because it undermines ideas of cause and effect to create paradoxes. But, sixty years later, there is still no fundamental reason why time travelers cannot put historians out of business. But the Russians argue that when the energies of the LHC are concentrated into a subatomic particle - a trillionth the size of a mosquito - they can do strange things to the fabric of the universe, which is a blend of space and time that scientists called space-time. While Earth's gravity produces gentle distortions in space-time the LHC energy can distort time so much that it loops back on itself. These loops are known to physicists as "closed time-like curves" and they ought, at least in theory, to allow us to revisit some past moment. The scheme chimes with one laid out in 1988., when Prof. Kip Thorne and colleagues at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, showed that wormholes, or tunnels through space-time, would allow time travel, a scheme popularized by Carl Sagan in his novel - made into a film – "Contact". Prof. Aref'eva and Dr Volovich believe the LHC could create wormholes and so allow a form of time travel. "We realized that CLOSED TIME-LIKE CURVES (which may allow us to visit some past moment) and wormholes could also be a result of collisions of particles," Prof. Aref'eva says. There are still plenty of obstacles for the likes of Dr Who, however. Not least of them is the fact that these are mini wormholes, so only subatomic particles are small enough to travel through them. TIME TRAVEL IS POSSIBLE How the Time Machine works They tell the British newspaper "The Daily Telegraph" that whether subatomic time travel in the LHC would open the doors for human scale time travelers "is a deep and interesting question" but stress that "these problems, and many others as well, require further investigations." Probably the best we can hope for is that the LHC may show a signature of the wormholes' existence, Dr Volovich says. If some of the energy from collisions in the LHC goes missing, it could be because the collisions created particles that have traveled into a wormhole and through time. One sticking point until now for wormhole concepts is finding an exotic kind of material capable of keeping the maw of the wormhole open for time travel. Dark energy - a mysterious anti-gravity force that is thought to pervade the universe - could, they say, be just what is needed to keep the entrance to a wormhole open, at least according to one family of ideas about its nature, where it is called phantom energy. If a blend of colliding particles and phantom energy does create a wormhole in Geneva this year, advanced extraterrestrial civilizations (thousands or even millions of years ahead of us) could find it in their history books, pinpoint the moment, and take advantage of their technology to pay us a visit. "The observational evidence still allows for phantom energy," says Robert Caldwell, a physicist at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire. "As for Aref'eva and Volovich's speculation that the LHC will produce the stuff of time machines - ugh!" A leading scientist who believes that time travel may be possible, Prof. David Deutsch of Oxford University, comments: "It's speculative in the extreme, but not cranky. For various reasons I don't think the mechanism they propose would work (i.e. provide a pathway for messages from the future) even if their speculations are true." Dr Brian Cox of the University of Manchester adds: "The energies of billions of cosmic rays that have been hitting the Earth's atmosphere for five billion years far exceed those we will create at the LHC, so by this logic time travelers should be here already." A quantum tree doesn't fall in a forest unless it's observed. Hence the quantum mind. NewPhysicsAndTheMind.net Relativity Challenge DID EINSTEIN MAKE A MATH MISTAKE? You be the judge! www.relativitychallenge.com Physics and Consciousness Why is modern physics strange? - Space-time is within consciousness Amazon.com Cosmology & Metaphysics An alternative understanding of the material universe. Be enlightened. SimpleTheory.Info ivica.mazur@gmail.com Geändert von Ivica Mazur (24.09.2008 um 09:32 Uhr)

14.04.2008, 09:56	#2 (permalink)
Zwitschi SPEG-Mitglied Ort: Zürich/CH Beiträge: 2.179 Für Beiträge bedankt: 53 131 Danke für 12 Themen	Hello Ivica Masur, according to the board rules the language postings have to be written in is german. As you mentioned before, your german is not quite good, and we were appreciating to that and will do so in future. There is no need to compose own text in english. Also the rules state that you accepted all of its contents with accomplishing your registration. Additionaly, as mentioned in the other thread you started in this board, we likely discuss scientific problems, but until now you refused to point out your view or post some facts. Unfortunately you seem to continue copying probably copirighted material onto this board. Regarding to the legal responsibilites of the board adminitrators, please stop this. At last I bring up the rules for posting: http://wiki.seti-germany.de/index.ph...hema_erstellen The appropriate forum might be the "Wissenschaftsforum" or "Games & Fun". No relation to SETI.Germany in special. __________________ Grüezi aus Urdorf, Hinter der Tür liegt die verrückte Welt, aus der der Pizzamann kommt. Georg Neu hier? : : : Du hast eine Frage? : : : Apostroph'se artgerecht halten : : : Interessante Themen : : : Schnelle Projekt-Eingreif-Gruppe - - The 1st Wave

14.04.2008, 09:57	#3 (permalink)
Zero2Cool Administrator Beiträge: 2.872 Für Beiträge bedankt: 31 486 Danke für 29 Themen	Thread ins richtige Forum verschoben und den Titel umbenannt. __________________ Mein Blog www.zero2cool.de SETI.Germany Newsletter schon abonniert?

14.04.2008, 09:58	#4 (permalink)
Zwitschi SPEG-Mitglied Ort: Zürich/CH Beiträge: 2.179 Für Beiträge bedankt: 53 131 Danke für 12 Themen	Danke Zero! __________________ Grüezi aus Urdorf, Hinter der Tür liegt die verrückte Welt, aus der der Pizzamann kommt. Georg Neu hier? : : : Du hast eine Frage? : : : Apostroph'se artgerecht halten : : : Interessante Themen : : : Schnelle Projekt-Eingreif-Gruppe - - The 1st Wave

14.04.2008, 10:02	#5 (permalink)
Saenger ist hier zu Hause Lieblingsprojekt: CPDN, SIMAP, POEM, WCG, RNA, Einstein, malaria Ort: Bremen Beiträge: 2.796 Für Beiträge bedankt: 153 252 Danke für 39 Themen	Da versucht wohl offensichtlich jemand ein neues Board vollzuspammen. Ich würde sagen: Bitte nicht füttern. Imho someone is trying to spam the next board with copy'n'pasted nonsense. Don't feed the troll. <°///////>< __________________ Grüße vom Sänger Member of ATA [Profil] [BOINCstats] [Folding] [Rechner] [UOTD] [Kiva]

11.03.2010, 06:47	#10 (permalink)
williamsmith Gast Beiträge: n/a	Da versucht wohl offensichtlich jemand ein neues Board vollzuspammen. Ich würde sagen: Bitte nicht füttern.

11.03.2010, 08:20	#11 (permalink)
aendgraend Administrator Lieblingsprojekt: Projekt? Was das denn? Beiträge: 6.687 Für Beiträge bedankt: 358 394 Danke für 47 Themen	Aaaaaah, ja... ??? Wer gegen das Löschen des Accounts ist, soll sich melden...

11.03.2010, 16:58	#12 (permalink)
lost68er BOINC Maniac Beiträge: 558 Für Beiträge bedankt: 28 67 Danke für 14 Themen	Ich dachte, wir sind hier `ne DC-Truppe, und hier ist das Wissenschaftsforum... Ich glaub nicht, daß wir solchen Eso-Kram brauchen. Das liest sich ja wie die dunkleren Fan-Briefe an Douglas Adams... Gruß lost

11.03.2010, 18:26	#13 (permalink)
AgentSchatten ist hier zu Hause Lieblingsprojekt: Idle@home Ort: Münster Beiträge: 2.869 Für Beiträge bedankt: 126 158 Danke für 16 Themen	Klingt für mich eher als würde er ihn von einem anderen Board her kennen. Hat aber wohl nicht auf's Datum geachtet. Ich hätte den Account nicht gelöscht ... __________________ My sysProfile ! boincstats

11.03.2010, 23:37	#14 (permalink)
bernd@home BOINC Maniac Lieblingsprojekt: Seti, Malaria. WCG Ort: Nettetal-Kaldenkirchen Beiträge: 547 Für Beiträge bedankt: 27 18 Danke für 6 Themen	Also der Name kommt mir irgendwie bekannt vor, hat er nicht im Vorgängerboard sich schon eine Sperrung eingehandelt ? Englisch, schlechtes Deutsch - da war doch was ... Edit = Ich solllte mal aufs Datum des 1. Posts schaun, das war der Thread, der mir so bekannt vorkam - war halt schon spät __________________ Gruß Bernd Seit dem 15. März 2001 dabei - SETI@home classic workunits 10,649 - SETI@home classic CPU time 119,751 hours meine Stats, nur CPUs Geändert von bernd@home (12.03.2010 um 06:03 Uhr)

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